It’s important that we understand we’re talking about baseball; which requires us to create some baselines.
1) Numbers don’t get you into the Baseball Hall of Fame, MLB Writers do.
2) Barry Bonds and Rodger Clemens are dick heads.
Now for the clarification.
Yes. You need must have the performance numbers that put you in the conversation of the hall of fame, but the ultimately the Baseball Writers’ Association of America (BBWAA) decides if you get on the ballot & how many votes you get. And within your 10-year eligibility, they decide if you get in on the 1st, 5th, 10th year. In some cases, they already decide you can’t with the writer’s ballot, but you’ll get in through MLB Veterans Committee… YEARS later…
So far, this has been Barry & Roger’s vote tally each year since they became HOF Eligible
And Yes, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemons are both Dick Heads. Not because they may have taken steroids (which we know, THEY DID); but because they truly are dickheads. They were marginally good teammates. They were massively productive on the field of play, but they treated almost everyone around them like shit. Especially BASEBALL WRITERS.
Barry Bonds was often perceived as a self-centered jerk during his playing years with the Pittsburgh Pirates and San Francisco Giants. And that’s not me saying it, that’s him saying it (My word was ‘DICKHEAD’)
As an “older”, “wiser” man, with different view, slightly removed from the game now as an assistant batting coach; Bonds in his own words;
“Me. It’s on me. I’m to blame for the way I was [portrayed], because I was a dumbass. I was straight stupid, and I’ll be the first to admit it, I mean, I was just flat-out dumb. What can I say? I’m not going to try to justify the way I acted toward people. I was stupid.”
Again, those are his words. I still say dickhead. Simple and to the point.
The stories from teammates, coaches, fans & most of all, WRITERS can go on like a U.S. Congressional hearing…
Which of course, brings us to Roger Clemens. Who LITERALLY testified at a U.S. Congressional hearing. LITERALLY.
Roger Clemens was just as big a jerk, he once charged a 10 year old $20 for an autograph! Not to mention he was also a diva. In his contract with the Houston Astros, and his later deals with the Yankees, that he literally built into his contract that he didn’t have to travel with the team if he isn’t pitching. So much for team unity & camaraderie. Clemens, allegedly, also may have had numerous affairs on his wife, including one with a country music singer, who Clemons met when she was 15 and he was 28. True Creep Squad SCUMBAG shit. Peter Gunz would be proud.
While there should be no illusion that Hall of Fame selection is about having stellar character, Babe Ruth was a womanizing alcoholic and Ty Cobb was a racist and an anti-Semite, but when the people you pissed off the most, the baseball writers, with self-righteous indignation, please believe but they have LONG memories and will get their vengeance in the best way they know how.
So, let’s just to be clear, it’s not an ideology thing about the merit of cheating or Performance Enhancing Substances. These guys were jerks and terrible people from the inside, who probably threw puppies in a creek just to watch them drown…
Same for Albert Bell… But he’s not mentioned in Hall of Fame discussions.
I remember being in 6th grade, always thinking “They may get into Cooperstown, but Jesus ain’t letting them into heaven!” they are just bad people and not cuz of steroids…